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The Out of Office Podcast

Join us to explore the real, often messy side of behaviour at work, offering a practical lens on how people can work better together.

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Meet the hosts

Stewart Desson

Dr Stewart Desson

CEO AND FOUNDER OF LUMINA LEARNING

Founder of Lumina Learning and personality expert, Stewart brings decades of experience helping[JB2.1] organisations improve their performance outcomes through a practical, precise understanding of behaviour in leadership and team effectiveness.

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Jonathan Cannon

Product development Lead

Senior Business Psychologist at Lumina Learning, Jonathan leads the research that helps people, teams and leaders apply behavioural science in a way that is practical, relevant, and inclusive. 

Welcome to the Out of Office Podcast

We spend 90,000+ hours of our life at work. That's more than a third of our lives, so we might as well enjoy it understand the wonderful lessons it's teaching us along the way. On the Out of Office Podcast, we get curious and a little geeky about the real, sometimes messy, and often humorous side of people’s behaviour at work.  

Hosted by personality expert Dr Stewart Desson and Senior Business Psychologist Jonathan Cannon with industry expert guests, we explore the behavioural challenges and opportunities that shape the potential and performance of people, teams, and leaders.

You’ll hear what really happens beneath the surface of those awkward, sometimes tense moments at work. From those uncomfortable interactions and misunderstood conversations to the stories leave people in disbelief, along with the moments where things genuinely shift for the better. If you’ve ever left work thinking “what just happened?” or wondered how to make work feel a bit easier, more human, and more effective, this is the podcast for you.

Whether you’re a seasoned talent professional, leading a team, or simply curious about personal development, join us for a fresh perspective on understanding people and how we can all work better together.

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